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Fluffy Butt · Sep 14, 2006, 07:02 PM // 19:02

The new updates for Mind Burn is just stupid, here is the spell BEFORE Mind Burn. With 16 attributes

Mind Burn - Elite Spell. Target foe takes 63 fire damages. If you have more Energy than target foe, that foe suffers takes an additional 63 fire damage and is set on fire for 7 seconds. This Spell causes exhaustion.

Energy 15, Casting 1, Recharge 20

Decent right? Not to great and not to poor.

Now its Energy 5, Casting 1, Recharge 5.

Thats to cheap... unless you want a Ele/monk supporter but casting time 5? this does more damage than fireball and with 16 (+1 20%) the burning time is 8 seconds, is this change good or bad?

Ensign · Sep 14, 2006, 07:28 PM // 19:28

It was terrible before all of the updates. Now it is an attractive elite for an elementalist. It's a rather strong skill for dueling, in fact.

I don't think it will see much competitive play because the fire line is so bad, but if fire gets a couple decent skills this will be great.

Peace,
-CxE

Rancour · Sep 14, 2006, 07:32 PM // 19:32

The exhaustion still keeps you from spamming it endlessly... I think it's more to add pressure on someone who's already taking a beating rather than actually building around it... Not sure if it's worth the Elite tag.

Draygo Korvan · Sep 14, 2006, 07:35 PM // 19:35

Looks like to me it got nerfed out of uselessness. (Or buffed into usefullness).

I have a feeling HA/RA/TA/AB will feel this change but GvG wont.

And drawing a comparison between a direct damage spell and an aoe spell like fireball isnt fair. You are better off comparing it as a better Immolate.

Lord Aro · Sep 14, 2006, 07:38 PM // 19:38

If it wasn't elite: Mind Burn + Glyph of Energy

AC10 · Sep 14, 2006, 07:40 PM // 19:40

I agree that it's a nice skill for duelling, but I'd never take it for teamplay. The low recharge doesn't mean much when you can't take Glyph of Energy to prevent the exhaustion.

D'Arcangelo · Sep 14, 2006, 07:41 PM // 19:41

Well, if any elite wasn't an elite it would see more use, obviously.

The Mind Shock skill is still one of the better ones in my opinion.

Why_Me · Sep 14, 2006, 07:44 PM // 19:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by D'Arcangelo

If it wasn't elite: Mind Burn + Glyph of Energy

U can arcane mimic it from an ally and have your elite as the glyph, but they still need to add a non elite glyph whos sole purpose is to prevent exhaustion.

Toxic RD · Sep 14, 2006, 08:13 PM // 20:13

FYI, the full effect of Mind Burn at level 16 Fire = 224 damage

Evilsod · Sep 14, 2006, 08:22 PM // 20:22

This elite is still as crap as ever... Why didn't i use it before? Was it the energy cost? Was it the recharge? NO! It was the words 'causes exhaustion' on the end of it.

The fact it costs half as much energy and has a recharge to give it 'spammable' status doesn't improve it.
Would you spam Meteor if it cost 5 energy for 5 recharge?
You can still only cast it once every 30 seconds before you end up doing yourself in through exhaustion. Since when did 'dueling' make the slightest difference to how good an elite is in this game... Mirror of Ice is utter crap, but in a 1 on 1 ele duel its the best skill you could ever bring, is it suddenly a good elite?

All i see this doing is making Ice Imps even more powerful than ever before.

Mouse at Large · Sep 14, 2006, 08:28 PM // 20:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toxic RD

FYI, the full effect of Mind Burn at level 16 Fire = 224 damage

Less armour/other elemental resists

Less condition removal

Obsidian Flame is non-elite and does armour ignoring damage of 118 guaranteed at 16.......

Hidden Prayers · Sep 14, 2006, 09:04 PM // 21:04

Who will still be able to run droks??

Fluffy Butt · Sep 14, 2006, 09:43 PM // 21:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evilsod

This elite is still as crap as ever... Why didn't i use it before? Was it the energy cost? Was it the recharge? NO! It was the words 'causes exhaustion' on the end of it.

Since when did 'dueling' make the slightest difference to how good an elite is in this game... Mirror of Ice is utter crap, but in a 1 on 1 ele duel its the best skill you could ever bring, is it suddenly a good elite?

All i see this doing is making Ice Imps even more powerful than ever before.

Woops, forgot that it has exhaustion, which reminds me in pvp will this be a spammable 1 shot deal? or in 12 vs 12, kill an opponet with lots of exhaustion and then run into a big crowd, die and get energy back? in 1vs1, this is a garrentie however, i won vs a tank, but i could only do it once or 2 times (when he runs back and i get lucky) after that im a human target.

last but not least, with ice imps doing this, can we still run to droks?

Ensign · Sep 14, 2006, 10:03 PM // 22:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evilsod

Would you spam Meteor if it cost 5 energy for 5 recharge?

Yes. Yes I would.

Peace,
-CxE

Toxic RD · Sep 14, 2006, 10:28 PM // 22:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ensign

Yes. Yes I would.

Peace,
-CxE

I second that

Trylo · Sep 14, 2006, 10:34 PM // 22:34

a monk or rit (know IMHO, after the updates a pretty nice healer), will remove the mind burn and usually heal for almost the same amount they took...

the real problem is Mind Freeze, it was and IS the only valid one fo the mind spells, MAYBE shock is... sub-par. but with 6(?) seconds of 90% slowed... i think we will be seeing it a bit more often in PvP because you can effectively use this one skill to shut a war down, you just need to use it with some intelligence... but still deep freeze is the best ele skill ever.

LoyalSoldier · Sep 14, 2006, 11:34 PM // 23:34

The problems with these skills were not fixed at all. The reason they sucked before is the fact the damage was too conditional and not enough. Along with the exaustion this makes the skill harder to use as time goes on.

One thing that gets overlooked is the fact that even though you spend 5 energy the exaustion will make the energy cost useless. What good is a 5 energy cost if you get 15 points of exaustion?

Lord Aro · Sep 14, 2006, 11:36 PM // 23:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Why_Me

U can arcane mimic it from an ally and have your elite as the glyph, but they still need to add a non elite glyph whos sole purpose is to prevent exhaustion.

Quoted wrong person lol.

I didn't mention Mimicry due to you needing the second E in your team to use it. So unless you are taking multiple E's to make a build around Glyph of Energy, Mimicry, and some other elite spell which may or may not have the second damage and effect trigger -> I'd rather use Obsidian Flame.

Thom Bangalter · Sep 15, 2006, 10:39 AM // 10:39

If meteor was 5 energy and 5 recharge, i'd spam that until I was completely exhausted and could do no more. in fact, that's what I'd do with mind burn. Oh noes I'm exhausted! Oh noes focus swap, wait for energy to regen.

LightningHell · Sep 15, 2006, 12:27 PM // 12:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ensign

Quote:

Originally Posted by evilsod

Would you spam Meteor if it cost 5 energy for 5 recharge?

Yes. Yes I would.

Peace,
-CxE

Well, hate to disagree, but I wouldn't because of the 3s cast.

But if it were any less, yes.

I'd have to see if any of the Mind skills warrant a removal of Ether Prodigy from my bar. Until then, I'm opinionless.